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The Ramblings of a Tablet Nut:
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diane whatever
2009-01-25 17:23:11 UTC
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I truly love "writing" on my tablet laptops. I have had several . as of
right now I have 3 . . . one or two I will sell.

My recent list of tablets are-

Fujitsu P1510 -Tablet o/s (This was by far the best computer of the Small
tablet variety-the touch screen on this computer was by far the Best! I had
already upgraded it as much as I could. Needed more ram! By the time I had
decided to replace it I had used Vista. I love Vista but my Fujitsu couldn't
be upgraded to that o/s.)

Sony UX Series-Tablet o/s and Vista. Had 2 of these computers. By the time I
had the second one the HTC was coming out. It was "supposed" to Come with
voice 'but by the time of the actual shipping there wasn't voice. Just data
with your SIM card.. Same with the Sony. SlM data only . . People were
trying to get voice on the Sony. you could put your SIM card in a slot and
always be connected. but no luck with voice. Both Sony machines were very
nice but too small.

HTC Shift -Vista (Sold my Sony and bought this. Great little UMPC- not only
does it come with Vista, but it also has windows mobile 6 in a feature
called "snap-vue.". Instant on - No waiting for windows to boot to check
your email or get a phone number. My Palm Life drive went to my
granddaughter. If you only use WinMo with the extended battery I bought, you
could go for maybe 5 days without having to charge it.)

HP TX2500- Vista- (Really needed to upgrade the P1510 So I bought the HP.
This Tablet felt Huge! compared to my (now sold) Fujitsu. I wished I never
parted with the Fujitsu. Did not like touch with the stylus, finger or
digitizer pen on the HP. so I bought the P1620 with the intention of selling
the HP. . The P1620 arrived! Needed to transfer all my stuff AGAIN to the
P1620 and list the HP on eBay.)

Fujitsu P1620 -Vista -(what a nightmare. Fujitsu added Something called
"palm guard" so that if you were writing on the tablet your Palm wouldn't
get in-the way and cause vectoring. . . I think that is what it is called.
The machine is beautiful Great quality everywhere you look... - more ram.
more storage. and Vista! but the screen has a new touch. almost completely
unresponsive to touch. Take my word _ unless you aren't afraid to pound your
stylus on a glass screen _don't buy this until they come up with a cure!
Lucky for me Fujitsu refunded all my money like they did with the. . .

Fujitsu U800 I bought before the Sony. (I think) I didn't mention it because
there was nothing good or bad I can think of to say about it. Didn't have it
for more than a few days before returning it to Fujitsu. It was to large to
be a UMPC and too Small to be a laptop replacement and also had the same
Palm guard (I think) as the P1620. . . BTW. . . Fujitsu allows returns with
NO restocking fees. A BIG PLUS! and reason to buy direct from them.

Flybook V5 -Vista- Arrived yesterday. . . wow-it sure is pretty. . Same size
as the P1510. . Same great screen as the P1510 . . . High gloss like the
HP... Not a fan of that (The P1510 did not have a High Gloss screen).. .
AND. . . It is PINK. . . Not the Pepto Bismol color they show in ads. Not
bubblegum pink _ but a metallic looking Hot pink. It has the SIM card data
feature. WITH voice. I have already tested that. and it works. GPS too I
think. 4 gigs of ram. (only 60 gig hard drive) (my HP has 250) and a Camera
for conference calls (if you don't mind people seeing you with "bed hair"
and your flannel PJ's) The downside is - no button to rotate the screen. you
need to open a utility to rotate and the pen icon doesn't appear on it's
own. Gotta click the icon to begin writing. . . That is all I can say with
just a dozen hours use.

The writing pad on my HP has a feature that none of the others do. all of
them put the word in type-directly under your handwriting. but on the HP not
only can I click on the "type' to edit the word - - I can delete or change a
single letter in the word - with all other versions of Vista I can only
delete the word if the correct spelling isn't one of my choices in editing.
Would the fact that my HP is also the only one that has a digitizer pen (or
you can also turn on touch and use your finger.) be the reason? or is it a
feature HP added to the tablet: Whatever the reason _ I like it.

as of today I know that I gotta sell one or two of the three I have left.
For sure the HTC will be the first to go., but the HP is sort of growing on
me.

OH! Forgot to mention. .. . . Bought the HP Touchsmart a month ago when my
desktop crashed. Beautiful. Large 22" screen. Great sound. much more room On
my desk. But . . . . . I haven't touched the screen since day one! Tried
playing Mah Jong on it and my arm was tired from holding it up and reaching
for the screen before I could finish the game.
--
--
writing..NOT typying..on my UMPC
please excuse any wrytos !!

diane whatever
Rainald Taesler
2009-01-28 20:20:26 UTC
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Thanks for your comprehensive review!

Rainald
Post by diane whatever
I truly love "writing" on my tablet laptops. I have had several .
as of right now I have 3 . . . one or two I will sell.
My recent list of tablets are-
Fujitsu P1510 -Tablet o/s (This was by far the best computer of the
Small tablet variety-the touch screen on this computer was by far
the Best! I had already upgraded it as much as I could. Needed
more ram! By the time I had decided to replace it I had used Vista.
I love Vista but my Fujitsu couldn't be upgraded to that o/s.)
Sony UX Series-Tablet o/s and Vista. Had 2 of these computers. By
the time I had the second one the HTC was coming out. It was
"supposed" to Come with voice 'but by the time of the actual
shipping there wasn't voice. Just data with your SIM card.. Same
with the Sony. SlM data only . . People were trying to get voice on
the Sony. you could put your SIM card in a slot and always be
connected. but no luck with voice. Both Sony machines were very
nice but too small.
HTC Shift -Vista (Sold my Sony and bought this. Great little UMPC-
not only does it come with Vista, but it also has windows mobile 6
in a feature called "snap-vue.". Instant on - No waiting for
windows to boot to check your email or get a phone number. My Palm
Life drive went to my granddaughter. If you only use WinMo with the
extended battery I bought, you could go for maybe 5 days without
having to charge it.)
HP TX2500- Vista- (Really needed to upgrade the P1510 So I bought
the HP. This Tablet felt Huge! compared to my (now sold) Fujitsu. I
wished I never parted with the Fujitsu. Did not like touch with the
stylus, finger or digitizer pen on the HP. so I bought the P1620
with the intention of selling the HP. . The P1620 arrived! Needed
to transfer all my stuff AGAIN to the P1620 and list the HP on
eBay.)
Fujitsu P1620 -Vista -(what a nightmare. Fujitsu added Something
called "palm guard" so that if you were writing on the tablet your
Palm wouldn't get in-the way and cause vectoring. . . I think that
is what it is called. The machine is beautiful Great quality
everywhere you look... - more ram. more storage. and Vista! but the
screen has a new touch. almost completely unresponsive to touch.
Take my word _ unless you aren't afraid to pound your stylus on a
glass screen _don't buy this until they come up with a cure! Lucky
for me Fujitsu refunded all my money like they did with the. . .
Fujitsu U800 I bought before the Sony. (I think) I didn't mention
it because there was nothing good or bad I can think of to say
about it. Didn't have it for more than a few days before returning
it to Fujitsu. It was to large to be a UMPC and too Small to be a
laptop replacement and also had the same Palm guard (I think) as
the P1620. . . BTW. . . Fujitsu allows returns with NO restocking
fees. A BIG PLUS! and reason to buy direct from them.
Flybook V5 -Vista- Arrived yesterday. . . wow-it sure is pretty. .
Same size as the P1510. . Same great screen as the P1510 . . . High
gloss like the HP... Not a fan of that (The P1510 did not have a
High Gloss screen).. . AND. . . It is PINK. . . Not the Pepto
Bismol color they show in ads. Not bubblegum pink _ but a metallic
looking Hot pink. It has the SIM card data feature. WITH voice. I
have already tested that. and it works. GPS too I think. 4 gigs of
ram. (only 60 gig hard drive) (my HP has 250) and a Camera for
conference calls (if you don't mind people seeing you with "bed
hair" and your flannel PJ's) The downside is - no button to rotate
the screen. you need to open a utility to rotate and the pen icon
doesn't appear on it's own. Gotta click the icon to begin writing.
. . That is all I can say with just a dozen hours use.
The writing pad on my HP has a feature that none of the others do.
all of them put the word in type-directly under your handwriting.
but on the HP not only can I click on the "type' to edit the word -
- I can delete or change a single letter in the word - with all
other versions of Vista I can only delete the word if the correct
spelling isn't one of my choices in editing. Would the fact that my
HP is also the only one that has a digitizer pen (or you can also
turn on touch and use your finger.) be the reason? or is it a
feature HP added to the tablet: Whatever the reason _ I like it.
as of today I know that I gotta sell one or two of the three I have
left. For sure the HTC will be the first to go., but the HP is sort
of growing on me.
OH! Forgot to mention. .. . . Bought the HP Touchsmart a month ago
when my desktop crashed. Beautiful. Large 22" screen. Great sound.
much more room On my desk. But . . . . . I haven't touched the
screen since day one! Tried playing Mah Jong on it and my arm was
tired from holding it up and reaching for the screen before I could
finish the game.
--
--
writing..NOT typying..on my UMPC
please excuse any wrytos !!
diane whatever
m***@privacy.net
2009-09-24 03:23:33 UTC
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Post by diane whatever
I truly love "writing" on my tablet laptops. I have had several . as of
right now I have 3 . . . one or two I will sell.
is this group dead?
Beverly Howard
2009-09-24 15:51:11 UTC
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got a question?

Beverly Howard
m***@privacy.net
2009-09-24 18:32:00 UTC
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Post by Beverly Howard
got a question?
Beverly Howard
just interested in tablet for engineering student use

was hoping some traffic here
Beverly Howard
2009-09-24 20:13:59 UTC
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just interested in tablet for engineering student use <<
Search this forum using google groups
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc?hl=en

There was some discussion on this a year or so ago... Possibly Virginia
Tech?

If nothing else, you might get some pointers to where you might get more
info. I would assume that a school that requires use of tablets would
have a support forum somewhere.

Beverly Howard
Harry
2009-10-08 09:25:42 UTC
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Been using a tablet at University for some years now as a part time student.
I can highly recommend OneNote for managing lecture notes, assignments and
study. It's great to open the lecture slides and mark them up. If you get
PDF files, you can use PDF annotator to also make notes on them. Future
review of the notes then also come with all the comments you made during the
lecture.

Unfortunately, my office doesn't use exchange so I never got to see how it
integrated with email and todo etc.

Good luck.

Harry.
Post by m***@privacy.net
Post by Beverly Howard
got a question?
Beverly Howard
just interested in tablet for engineering student use
was hoping some traffic here
m***@privacy.net
2009-10-08 18:40:23 UTC
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Post by Harry
Been using a tablet at University for some years now as a part time student.
I can highly recommend OneNote for managing lecture notes, assignments and
Thanks for the input Harry!!

What brand/model tablet are you using?

Also, curious what you are studying and majoring in at
school?
Steve Jain [MVP]
2009-10-08 20:50:59 UTC
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Post by m***@privacy.net
Post by Harry
Been using a tablet at University for some years now as a part time student.
I can highly recommend OneNote for managing lecture notes, assignments and
Thanks for the input Harry!!
What brand/model tablet are you using?
Also, curious what you are studying and majoring in at
school?
I can concur, I used my Toshiba M400 tablet for the last 3 years of my
computer engineering degree. With a scanner you can import all your
paper handouts into OneNote as well.

Did all my notes and homework on my tablet, printed out my homework
and handed it in.

OneNote is great for complex note-taking, especially if the professor
is using multiple colors on the white/chalk board...you can match them
up in OneNote.

Classmate need a copy of the notes? Just print one out from OneNote.
Got a PDF handout? Import into OneNote and ink your notes on it.

Instead of carrying multiple paper notebooks, I just had my tablet pc
and a couple folders for any paper handouts.

One thing I didn't use as much as I could have was the audio
recording.
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Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
http://smudj.wordpress.com/
Beverly Howard
2009-10-08 21:59:32 UTC
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Got a PDF handout? Import into OneNote and ink your notes on it. <<
Can you elaborate on this... I have OneNote2003 and can't see any way to
natively import a pdf.

Great tips... thanks,
Beverly Howard
Steve Jain [MVP]
2009-10-08 23:15:04 UTC
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:59:32 -0500, Beverly Howard
Post by Beverly Howard
Got a PDF handout? Import into OneNote and ink your notes on it. <<
Can you elaborate on this... I have OneNote2003 and can't see any way to
natively import a pdf.
Great tips... thanks,
Beverly Howard
Sorry for the terminology. I was referring to the "send to onenote"
print function.
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Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
http://smudj.wordpress.com/
Beverly Howard
2009-10-09 17:21:09 UTC
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"send to onenote" print function. <<
Sorry... still lost. I'm pursuing this since it would obviously be a
valuable tool.

I have onenote 2003 installed but this is not a printer option, so, ran
the onenote setup to see if there were onenote printer options and could
not find them.

Thanks for your input on this.

Beverly Howard
Steve Jain [MVP]
2009-10-09 19:11:10 UTC
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:21:09 -0500, Beverly Howard
Post by Beverly Howard
"send to onenote" print function. <<
Sorry... still lost. I'm pursuing this since it would obviously be a
valuable tool.
I have onenote 2003 installed but this is not a printer option, so, ran
the onenote setup to see if there were onenote printer options and could
not find them.
Thanks for your input on this.
Beverly Howard
It may not be in OneNote 2003. I googled and there are powertoys for
ON2003 for Outlook and Explorer, didn't see anything else
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Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
http://smudj.wordpress.com/
Beverly Howard
2009-10-09 19:25:59 UTC
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Thanks for the response,
Beverly Howard
Rainald Taesler
2009-10-12 12:14:19 UTC
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Post by Beverly Howard
"send to onenote" print function. <<
Sorry... still lost. I'm pursuing this since it would obviously be a
valuable tool.
I have onenote 2003 installed but this is not a printer option, so,
ran the onenote setup to see if there were onenote printer options
and could not find them.
ON2003 is a bit ooold. :-( :-(
The application gas undergone dramatic changes in ON2007. If one likes
ON, upgrading is a must.
You might have a look by downloading the 60-days "Trial"[1] which is
fully functional.

Which SP do you have installed?
I can't remember exactly (because I used ON2003 only for a week or two
and then jumped to the ON2007 beta) but I *think* that the "Send to
OneNote" printer was added with SP2. It could be that it was a PowerToy,
however.

I searched around but I could not find a PowerToy (the old site for the
3003 PowerToys does not exist anymore).

Rainald
[1]
http://us1.trymicrosoftoffice.com/product.aspx?sku=3082934&culture=en-US
Beverly Howard
2009-10-09 17:24:36 UTC
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Related question/observation

Windows Journal offers a "print to journal" printer, but that generates
an image file... i.e. exported text is viewable, but cannot be copied or
manipulated.

How does the "send to onenote" option handle text?

Thanks in advance,
Beverly Howard
Rainald Taesler
2009-10-12 11:58:13 UTC
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Post by Beverly Howard
Related question/observation
Windows Journal offers a "print to journal" printer, but that
generates an image file... i.e. exported text is viewable, but cannot
be copied or manipulated.
How does the "send to onenote" option handle text?
"Send to OneNote" is a virtual printer too.
The result is an *image* which can not be edited in ON, only annotated.

Rainald
Beverly Howard
2009-10-12 13:57:49 UTC
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result is an *image* <<
Thanks... that removes ON from consideration as there are better
options... especially if one has Acrobat.
buy <<
ON 2003 shipped with the Fuji's but, tinkering with it plus having done
the same about a year before I received the fuji, my needs don't merit
either a purchase nor the time investment that would be needed to use
it's unique capabilities...

...that, plus my computing budget is significantly lower than most
tablet users.

Beverly Howard
Rainald Taesler
2009-10-12 19:49:00 UTC
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Post by Beverly Howard
result is an *image* <<
Thanks... that removes ON from consideration as there are better
options... especially if one has Acrobat.
It depends. I've always had Acrobat (at present 9.0 Pro extended) but I
never liked it too much to add handwritten comments on my TabletPC.
A really great tool for commenting/annotating PDFs is the
"PDFAnnotator"[1]

Doing it in my beloved ON is a bit troublesome as ON still does not have
a grouping/anchoring feature ad therefore the comments do not stick to
the underlying images.
Post by Beverly Howard
buy <<
ON 2003 shipped with the Fuji's but, tinkering with it plus having
done the same about a year before I received the fuji, my needs don't
merit either a purchase nor the time investment that would be needed
to use it's unique capabilities...
One of the first pieces of software bought when I finally got my HP
tc1100 (far too late {siiiigh}) was ON 2003. But a few weeks later I
detected the ON2007 beta and immediately made the move. Since then ON
has been one of my major instruments
Post by Beverly Howard
...that, plus my computing budget is significantly lower than most
tablet users.
That's really sad to hear. I myself do not know how long my "academic"
sources will last ...

Rainald

m***@privacy.net
2009-10-08 23:39:23 UTC
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Post by Steve Jain [MVP]
Instead of carrying multiple paper notebooks, I just had my tablet pc
and a couple folders for any paper handouts.
Ok but in what way was the tablet superior for taking
notes over paper notebooks?

Did the tablet convert you handwriting to text.... have
OCR built in? Is that it?

Or does it just record the handwritten notes just as
squiggly lines (like real handwriting) and save as
image file?

I am elect engineer student..... at major
university..... hence my questions. I'm a bit "poor"
too.... if you know what I mean. lol

But I do see good prices on Lenovo outlet for their
tablets
Steve Jain [MVP]
2009-10-09 00:02:16 UTC
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Post by m***@privacy.net
Post by Steve Jain [MVP]
Instead of carrying multiple paper notebooks, I just had my tablet pc
and a couple folders for any paper handouts.
Ok but in what way was the tablet superior for taking
notes over paper notebooks?
All I needed was the tablet pc, not 5 paper notebooks.
Post by m***@privacy.net
Did the tablet convert you handwriting to text.... have
OCR built in? Is that it?
No, I left it in my handwriting. I didn't convert it, no need to
really.
Post by m***@privacy.net
Or does it just record the handwritten notes just as
squiggly lines (like real handwriting) and save as
image file?
You record your handwriting as handwriting.
OneNote is not image files, it's digital ink. OneNote uses notebooks,
the stuff you write stays as digital ink, you can erase, copy, paste,
etc with your handwriting.

another great thing is the shared notebook, you can "publish" a
notebook, email your lab partners who also have onenote and all work
on it at the same time.

None of the OneNote demos on the MS site really show it in action like
this. To really get a grasp, go somewhere that has tablets on display
where you can write on one, then you'll get it :-)
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Beverly Howard
2009-10-09 17:32:25 UTC
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For an engineering student, would assume the ability to "sketch" would
be just as valuable, plus the ability to use freehand to copy formulas.

Also, as you can see with windows7 and NCIS, touch screens are becoming
mainstream, so, the ability to use them to increase your understanding
and familiarity could be valuable in the long run... related note, the
tablet input method will play a major role here.

Beverly Howard
Steve Jain [MVP]
2009-10-11 03:46:03 UTC
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:32:25 -0500, Beverly Howard
Post by Beverly Howard
For an engineering student, would assume the ability to "sketch" would
be just as valuable, plus the ability to use freehand to copy formulas.
Also, as you can see with windows7 and NCIS, touch screens are becoming
mainstream, so, the ability to use them to increase your understanding
and familiarity could be valuable in the long run... related note, the
tablet input method will play a major role here.
Beverly Howard
Indeed, there's no way to "type" in most engineering formulas,
circuits, advanced equations.
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Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
http://smudj.wordpress.com/
Diane Whatever
2009-09-27 13:53:10 UTC
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Post by m***@privacy.net
Post by diane whatever
I truly love "writing" on my tablet laptops. I have had several . as of
right now I have 3 . . . one or two I will sell.
is this group dead?
I'm thinking you might be correct. I asked a few questions a couple op
months ago.
Maybe I am on everyone's block or delete filter!
--
I write!
Diane Whatever
m***@privacy.net
2009-09-27 14:47:37 UTC
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Post by Diane Whatever
I'm thinking you might be correct. I asked a few questions a couple op
months ago.
Maybe I am on everyone's block or delete filter!
--
I wish the price of tablets would come down some as I'm
an engineering student (read poor) but think a tablet
would be perfect for me!
aparecida roland
2009-09-25 00:41:02 UTC
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can be portuguise?
porque nada funciona no painel de controle, não abro nenhum programa, . O inicializar está mudando de tela 4 vezes, e não obedece nada nenhum comando.
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